DANGER! Throwing Rocks In Glass Houses

Words written with the finger of God

Published on May 6, 2005 By preacherman In Religion

In the gospel of John 8:1-11 the religious leaders brought a woman who had been taken in adultery. The question the Lord as to what should be done…

“Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?”

Most of us are familiar with this passage from God’s Word, even those who do not adhere to the Lords teaching. In this portion of God’s Word they find some consolation that Christ told the religious leaders….

“he who is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”

I have found this to be the most quoted portion of God’s Word by unbelievers, but must add that it is used most frequently under false pretences.

We are told in the 6th and 8th verse that Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground. What do you think he wrote, and why?

preacherman

Comments (Page 3)

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

"But when it comes down to it, the Holy See could have put a stop to it. Did they? Nope! "

And the Holy See is... um... people? So you would consider, say, a Borgia Pope to be representitive of the Christian Faith?

"All in the name of Christianity."

Nope, all in the name of politics and greed. If you had done "a little research" or even paid attention in High School history class, you'd know that too.

I spent too many years in college to have you tell me to do "a little research". The Crusades were socio-economic endeavors, and religion was a thinly-veiled excuse. Day in and day out I see Liberal idiots harp and whine about "Christianity" doing this and that throughout history, completely blind to the REAL events, and the REAL people behind them.

If I were to say that Shinto was directly responsible for Hiroshima, people would boil me in oil. The fact is, that is just as correct, and just as insipid, as saying Christianity is to blame for atrocities purpetrated by Christians.

thatoneguyinslc

on May 09, 2005

Sorry preacherman. I guess Baker and i have developed a nasty habit of ripping each other a new one. I still like and respect his work though. We just don't agree much is all.

I started out as a ULC minister (not an internet one, i was actually ordained by a friend who has been with them since the 1960's) but i became involved with a local bible study group a few years ago. A bunch of free thinkers who arent afraid of ruffling a few feathers in my otherwise Mormon dominated home of Salt Lake City.

For the record, the big JC is ok with me. I just have problems with what some folks do in his name.

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

aeryk is an irrational hypocrite. Sorry, but I state my mind. You can ask me to leave and I will, but while I'm here I won't sit and tolerate someone judging and berating people for things he does himself.

Aeryk has decided to disregard everything but hippy love, and he has that right. I pick and choose myself. I don't take offense until he starts condemning others for picking and choosing.

thatoneguyinslc

on May 09, 2005

Ok, maybe baker is losing it a bit. YIKES dude. So all your education justifies acting like an idiot to prove your point?

Preacher is right...Calm down a bit!

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

" Ok, maybe baker is losing it a bit. YIKES dude. "

Has next-to-nothing to do with this particular blog, thatoneguyinslc. This is an ongoing thing with Aeryck, and I have been on the butt end of his little inquisitions WAY too many times to sit and let him throw stones about "judgement".

I'd point you to some reference material, but Aeryck likes to delete his blogs once he has shown his behind.

thatoneguyinslc

on May 09, 2005

Ok, no problemo. I was just hoping it wasn't our banter that got you mad.

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

Nah, the Crusades thing is just debate. Granted, some people are squeamish about it, but I know you don't shy away.

I don't think more than two weeks have gone by in the last I don't know how long that Aeryk, in his NON-JUDGMENTAL mode, has told me that I "hate God." Gratned, he generally deletes the post and pretends he never says it, so don't blink.

HIs "Adolph Hitler, Judge Dread, and the thought police" is named for me, believe it or not. At least he rushed to write it after calling me that on my own blog. I blacklisted him for about 20 minutes for calling me a Nazi and I guess it got to him.

aeryck

on May 10, 2005

Baker, Jesus did not teach his disciples hatred, killing or war, infact the opposite:-

'But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.'
[ just a few words from the big man ~ Matthew 5:44 - 48]

As you have correctly pointed out Christians commiting evil, does not mean Christ~ianity is evil. I agree but take it further mankind's repeated inhuman acts, proves that all mankind is evil, hateful and war loving. At the best we are a blood thirsty planet, and this includes you and me.

My thread, Adolph Hitler, Judge Dread, and the thought police" ~ the title is dedicated to you, but the content is actually quite fun, you should try it, tell us all how you would run this planet if you were the Boss.

Telling us of your achievements and insulting me for my lack, seems to reveal that your educated mind is still infected with what we are all suffering from; the sinful nature.

Great entries though, until you got into slagging me. What a waste, considering what you think about me.

The only reason I delete threads, is because I have no regard for human wisdom. When something gets all muddy and personal, I get bored, just like you have made this thread which was not about you, all about you. ~ Infact now you should look at the thread we are on, see yourself in the mirror of scripture
....."he who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone."

Ouch, ouch, ouch, oucheeeee ouch ~ [repeat seventy times seven, and you are it.]

bakerstreet

on May 10, 2005

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

As steeped in the Bible as you claim to be, I doubt I need to post every time God told Israel to kill every man, woman, child and goat, and neither should I need to remind you that Jesus ordered his apostles to buy swords and never bothered to preach against war.

So, if you take the commandment "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." seriously, I find it hard to understand how you can dismiss warfare.

Not that we need to stink up preacherman's blog with your inability to admit that you pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to believe. I just wish you'd stop (re: #31) condemning other people who do it...

aeryck

on May 10, 2005

Goodbye Baker, you are a silly soldier, wage war in the name of Jesus as many have before, but disregard his teaching means you are not his follower. My final word to you is read this link and humble your proud heart.

preacherman

on May 10, 2005

Just home for lunch and checking in on the discussion..

Not that we need to stink up preacherman's blog with your inability to admit that you pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to believe.

Goodbye Baker,

I don't wish anyone to leave. I know aeryck and baker both profess Christ.... can we not agree to disagree concerning issues that do not cast the soul of man into hell... No offense little_whip!

I guess I am having trouble understanding some of the discussion. aeryck says the Bible portrays Christ as Loving, merciful and full of grace. Not only does he believe it he supported it with scripture!

With this, no one can not argue.

baker I know you do not argue with what the scripture above states, but what are you saying that you think God's word says about the issue? Surely you don't think Christ promoted killing the unbelieving?

preacherman

bakerstreet

on May 10, 2005

"baker I know you do not argue with what the scripture above states, but what are you saying that you think God's word says about the issue?"

Huh? My whole point is about what God's word says about the issue, and I think I supported it pretty concisely. Aeryk is the one who bolts and runs when he is faced with the reality of war and capital punishment in the Bible.

You know it as well as I do, we've even talked about it here. I applaud you for your diplomacy, but it does seem like you are a bit more diplomatic with Aeryk re-interpreting the Bible than you are with others.

aeryck

on May 10, 2005

'But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.' [ just a few words from the big man ~ Matthew 5:44 - 48]

[Preach] baker I know you do not argue with what the scripture above states, but what are you saying that you think God's word says about the issue? Surely you don't think Christ promoted killing the unbelieving?

[Baker] Huh? My whole point is about what God's word says about the issue, and I think I supported it pretty concisely. Aeryk is the one who bolts and runs when he is faced with the reality of war and capital punishment in the Bible.

Stop playing, Baker. Come on and answer the question, old bean : 'Surely you don't think Christ promoted killing the unbelieving?'

[little_whip] link

bakerstreet

on May 10, 2005

Aeryck says "Jesus did not teach his disciples hatred, killing or war," and cites:

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48

and I return:

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3"

And then as usual Aeryck pouts. You can't deny the dozens of times God ordered war, so saying war is "wrong" is either blind or dishonest. He ignores those scriptures, and favors ones that he agrees with.

I don't mind you rejecting the parts of the Bible you obviously disagree with. I just hate it when you say that I and others who do the same thing "hate God".

Since you must think God was wrong when God commanded and even sent His angels to help in war, do you "hate God" aeryck?. How can you tell me to be perfect like God if you think God committed wrongs? Can someone command folks to go to war and still be perfect Aeryck?

bakerstreet

on May 10, 2005

Just so I can be clear then...

Preacherman and Aeryck: You believe war and capital punishment are wrong?

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